our conern letter

td456

Post the our concern letter we try to send to the Union.If most of you guys think it is improper,we will put this on hold.

To whom it may concern:

( C9 N% O' T0 L1 S, c9 u% b' VWe are members of Chinese Electrician Association under IBEW424.

Some of our members were investigated by the government last week about their electrician background and qualification. As a group, we are willing to cooperate with the government to solve the problem. However we want a justice too, why shall we do a high level electrical job in the name of the fake electrician?

When we talk about the whole procedure of this interview, some questions arose about the purpose and fairness of this process:
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  v, Y# a. @" t* Z, Y/ pOne of our members inquired about the interview procedure and he was informed it is only a technical interview. But the real interview turned out to be totally different with what he anticipated, very few questions were asked about his technical background. Instead the investigator went through the very detail of his personal information such as your landing date, your travel schedule etc.

7 r' J# {' A7 Y5 c, kThe other interviewees have the same feedback, they were asked to answer some questions like: What is the last time you talk to your reference. Did you tell him what to say etc. Some questions are misleading but they are never told about their right.
Some of them have the feeling that they are forced to sign a waiver to let the government investigate their immigration document without been told they have the right to refuse and the consequences of this act. The peace officer is among the investigators and we think there should be a proper procedure to interrogate. Is there any privacy protection? We feel something wrong and this should not happen in a democratic country.

We have the concern this investigation was not done properly. We feel very disappointed and insulted. We reserve the right for further action.
) J* L4 \" g) Z- z" PAfter group discussion we have the following concerns we need to talk to the certain authority:
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' C% S: X% d4 @The whole process is based on guilty assumption logic and those interviewees are treated in this way, they are asked to find evidences to prove our innocence. Is this the proper procedure for the investigation?
It has been a long time  problem with the government’s electrician qualification screening process. For us,  if  the government takes a interview before the journeymen test, it can fix most of the problems, but they let some unqualified person jump on the bus because of their own negligence   and now they try to kick all of passengers out? We pay our background checking fee when we take the test and get approval from the government, but right now that does not make any sense at all?
- N! p7 i' o' z+ s5 H1 wThere are also some misconception about the definition of  the electrician between China and Canada. In China  electricians are not allowed to touch PLC, commissioning and startup but it is a common practice  here in Canada you. we need further discussion about the difference and also  Canada’s immigrant policy. Canada let so many high level technical personnel move to this country without the corresponding position to let them use their skill and talent. The situation forces them to take the technical labor or even the labor job. Is that fair? Even most of us feel happy to live in Canada， it is still one of our concerns.
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As Chinese electricians, we like to work in Alberta and contribute our skills and efforts to the economy. We hope we can work in an environment that each of us share the same value no matter where you are from, living up to the title of  International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. We don't like working in such environment that everyone suspects you. We write this letter to express our concerns and request to reconsider this investigation.
Again we reserve the right for further action.

Thank you.

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2009-2-7

HM

政府审查程序严重违法!!是典型的以强凌弱,在自由世界里很少见到.

今晚打老虎

侠客行

bly

好样的!支持

christmusher

' K  n2 R, g1 q+ F            华人协会还是应团结第一,今后的路还很长. 衷心感谢协会主要负责人为大家所作的一切努力!

菜花黄

团结 感谢协会为大家所作的努力

ywgwy

写的很好，感谢起草这封信的人，让相关部门知道我们的呼声，感觉这样调查是违法的。

埃城电工

哪位给翻译一下？

Lison67

jjj18

感谢起草这封信的人。感觉信中有需要修改的地方，最好再改改，包括行文的格式。
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% {/ N5 ?0 r+ ][ 本帖最后由 jjj18 于 2009-2-10 20:54 编辑 ]

实再人

揪出5持证者以团结实力电工

wolfgan

原帖由 christmusher 于 2009-2-10 16:10 发表
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            华人协会还是应团结第一,今后的路还很长. 衷心感谢协会主要负责人为大家所作的一切努力!

:zhichi:

MrElectrician

Good idea if just use individual name.
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! E2 M6 w* r/ z8 j/ wBut if using the title "Chinese Electrician Association of Canada" , it shall represent the opinion of most of chinese electricians. So why not wait for the vote to see how many people against it and how many people in favor of it?

* V9 K- G9 m, m* b7 B5 x' Y" G  UI believe some of us having been to union meeting before. This likes a kind of a motion. Need the majority of people votes, and then decide to go ahead or withdraw.
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homestay

Chinese Electrician Association/ IBEW424.
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Feb. xx, 2009

Government department name
Address,
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0 R8 n7 a+ y" ]5 ?Re: Electrician background investigation  
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To whom it may concern:

5 h* h% Y7 S( w1 B7 ]7 i. d$ v- [We are writing this letter on behalf of members of Chinese Electrician Association under IBEW424.
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Some of our members are being investigated by the xxxxxx (name of specific government department ) recently regarding their electrical background and electrician qualification. As a group, we understand the standpoint of this investigation; however we would like xxxxxx to reconsider the necessity of this investigation as well as the proper justice and legal procedure.

First of all, we think this investigation is being done at wrong time to the wrong personnel.

2 c6 e6 D, U! @/ PThe best timing for xxxxxx to screen electrician’s qualification is after they applied for the qualification challenging test. It doesn’t matter whatever how long it takes or whatever procedure you choose to follow to get your answer whether they are qualified trades man or not, once they get your approval, your decision should be final. We don’t mind if you give them a probation period after they pass the challenging test as we all know that actions speak louder than words, there should not be any back and fill exist in xxxxxx’s action and decision.  
Like Canadian Electricians as well, not all Chinese Electricians have chances to put their hands on PLC, commissioning and startups.  Some people may not know how to program a PLC but they might perfect at power distribution, some high level technical personnel move might not have enough strength to pull a big cable. We have different requirement with our trade people, and we should be able to face this variety.
Also, they have paid on their background checking and qualification screening and got your approval.  We might be able to understand an “Recent Job Qualification Review” after their challenging test or to all Canadian Electricians, but an background re-investigation gives all of us an impression that you have taken our hard work money away but did not do you job. If this is the case, can we ask where our money has gone?!
It’s time to stop this re-investigation now.
0 s) {( ?7 p' j. LSecondly, the whole processing is based on guilty assumption logic and those interviewees are treated in the way that they have to find evidences to prove their innocence. There is no proper justice and those questions being asked need to be reviewed.
1 F; J( K7 E' _4 U% G) r, g7 |When we talk about the whole procedure of this interview, some questions arose about the purpose and fairness of this process:

  o( }- `7 o; v' N6 a" gOne of our members inquired about the interview procedure and he was informed that it was only a technical interview. But the real interview turned out to be totally different with what he anticipated.  Very few questions were asked about his technical background; instead the investigator went through the very detail of his personal information such as your landing date, your travel schedule etc.
- p/ O( f! N6 x4 QThe other interviewees have the same feedback, they were asked to answer some misleading questions like: What was the last time you talk to your reference. Did you tell him what to say? Etc.
Some of them have the feeling that they are forced to sign a waiver to let xxxxxx investigate their immigration document without being told that they have the right to refuse and the consequences of this act. . Is there any privacy protection?
1 F% ^& d" N2 g1 gWe are also surprised to know that peace officer was among the investigators. Considering this is just an normal “interview”, we don’t see any necessity why  PSPO to be initiated into this investigation!
8 Z6 @  {6 e4 Y$ @, }- {2 AThis investigation has gone so wrong and this should not happen in a democratic country, especially in Canada.
As Chinese electricians, we would like to work in Alberta and contribute our skills and efforts to the local economy. We deserve to work in an environment that each of us share the same value no matter where you are from, living up to the title of  International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.
  B8 V3 g( ~& ]" A- `7 b, TPlease reconsider this investigation.
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5 F4 P8 ]7 U6 g/ K8 X: T1 H$ b0 f. \Thank you.

Chinese Electrician Association of Canada.

homestay

IS Chinese Electrician Association under IBEW424?

) E8 e  z2 m$ O4 _% `I am not an IBEW member though :(

爱城一粒沙子

原帖由 christmusher 于 2009-2-10 16:10 发表

            华人协会还是应团结第一,今后的路还很长. 衷心感谢协会主要负责人为大家所作的一切努力!

7 [5 }, U+ C1 ^ :zhichi: :zhichi:

sonice

原帖由 homestay 于 2009-2-10 23:40 发表
IS Chinese Electrician Association under IBEW424?
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I am not an IBEW member though :(

" T- W) ?* w& n" O! i$ X7 F- yNo. Not 'UNDER'.

sonice

写得很好。
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瑕不掩瑜，两个地方：
一、标点符号。不少逗号的地方应改为句号。英文和中文不同。两个完整的句子只能用连词连接，不能用逗号。英中文中只有“分离句式”时才多用逗号。

二、“Even most of us feel happy to live in Canada， it is still one of our concerns.”是否应改为“Even though”？

进屋换鞋

1.感觉这信的英文,不太符合洋人的表达方式.HOMESTAY 的似乎更好一些,但也不是很理想.我的英文也不好,能否找个英文好的改一改?
( [. q$ |2 A& @8 v2.人上一百,种种色色.加拿大的中国人都挺牛,真假中国电工更牛,尤其是干过IBEW424的,那是NB得一塌糊涂.你要团结他,他还瞧不上.一锅粥中有几粒老鼠屎,这就是现状.干是不会干的,干是不想干的,学是不屑学的,还要指挥干的,这种电工,你说怎么办吧?
3.有否可能成立一个中国人电工协会,自愿的,登记的,收费的,UNDER IBEW 424的,愿意团结起来的.协会只保护登记的中国人会员,去和政府谈,你必须保证你的会员的质量,基本符合工地的要求,不符合的,你负责培训.这样,和政府谈,也才有理有据,有礼有节.
4.那些不愿意进来的,自有他们的道理,也要尊重他们的意愿.

林子

是不是应该叫 “CHINESE CANADIAN ELECTRICIAN”？