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Bold strokes on language
4 W2 ?" v; F# t+ a9 VKATHERINE HARDING
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From Saturday's Globe and Mail
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Edmonton schools take lead with extensive bilingual program
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' b! h) _% g5 u2 f9 _Andrew Spencer from Calgary, writes: So, finally we have bilingualism that matters. French bilingualism, which is in global decline, prepares you for a job with our swollen civil service; Mandarin is actually going to become more important for trade as China flexes it's economic muscles. # a- x$ a( Y' f) h' C5 }
Posted 20/05/06 at 2:37 AM EDT | Link to Comment
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Cam Harvey from Cowichan Bay, Canada writes: Congratulations to the Purdon family! Their children will be well placed to take advantage of the opportunities made available by China's return to the global stage. Learning a second language, any language, is not easy. It requires persistence and opportunities to use it regularly. China's continued growth and influence will surely mean those opportunties will only increase. As a Canadian based company that promotes overseas language learning, we feel that the continued globalization of the workforce will result in an increasing demand for multilingual speakers. While French is, and will continue to be a key global language, we need more Canadian familes like the Purdons who recognize there are also other languages that we need to get our children learning from a young age.
9 }( [& K( H8 G3 J3 ]6 sPosted 20/05/06 at 5:39 AM EDT | Link to Comment
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R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes: What a great program! The Chinese economy will force several to learn their language as many worldwide in the past learned english to better do business with the Americans. As for my French friends in Quebec, your language has become irrelevant in the big picture unless you need to do business with those robust snd booming economies in Haiti, Martinique..... " e. z8 y. P9 x2 M" G7 U. r$ A
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5 o% k, Y% e4 N* ~8 g) LCharles Raymond from Windsor, Ontario, Canada writes: This insanity of having only French taught in Ontario schools has to stop. Ontario is doing a disservice to our children by focusing on an increasingly irrelevant language.Give parents better choices for their children. ! K3 n' l/ O8 s/ [2 c5 L3 O
Posted 20/05/06 at 9:25 AM EDT | Link to Comment
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Michael Aquilino from Ottawa, Canada writes: I find it quite amusing that people are finally waking up to the extraordinary benefits of learning a second language. This initative is not new; we have had the possibility of learning French for decades, yet it was met with such stiff resistance that it continues to flounder. % E3 y w: O5 T
Posted 20/05/06 at 11:08 AM EDT | Link to Comment
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chris jenkins from Rock of the Westies, Canada writes: You bet, I would willingly have my son in a Mandarin course. Please no more FRENCH. There is no future for French in Western Canada. ; k* O; r3 [; s) A4 t. u: G. h4 G
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8 @6 i4 Y) U( S* c yRaymond Frizzell from Pincourt, Quebec, Canada writes: I would recromend that English and French be taught mandatory in all across Canada, until the student graduates from high school. I am very happy to see young children learning something other than the official languages, this will offer them a great resource if they ever travel. I do think the children should have a choice on which language they want to learn however, it shouldn't be just mandrian, an aboriginal language would also be good for our kids to learn. Linguisticians have always said the earlier a child learns a language the better, and I think by reading this article this is true. " [3 u8 }0 d2 ~/ ^! m$ p+ @ ~
Posted 20/05/06 at 12:35 PM EDT | Link to Comment
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, n8 a- B0 `* \- d0 iCynthia C from Toronto, Canada writes: Looks like Ontario, especially Toronto is going to fall behind and become less and less sophisticated. All because of 'equality.' Get thee to a finishing school, Torontonians. Oh wait, that's illegal, since we're focusing on proper European manners. Oops! % N! I! }+ m3 k+ S
Posted 20/05/06 at 1:20 PM EDT | Link to Comment
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- h B9 B" ^3 q( I& adancing girl from the Okanagan, Canada writes: I wish we'd had the chance to learn French this way. Even if there weren't enough teachers for a full 50% in French, a few hours a day from kindergarten on (rather than waiting until the age our language learning aptitude starts to detiorate) would have us understanding more than just cereal boxes. ) J8 }% V+ R3 f
Posted 20/05/06 at 1:39 PM EDT | Link to Comment
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Bupinder Gill from vancouver, Canada writes: If people were smart in Canada they would be learning Mandarin, Hindi, Punjabi, Cantonese as in ten years with America in the dumps China and India may well be the players in the global economy.
- z% ]" r% g4 i9 k9 mPosted 20/05/06 at 4:10 PM EDT | Link to Comment
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Patricia Knowles from Ottawa, Canada writes: Canada has two official languages and that is English and French. Not English and Mandarin. When every single Canadian knows the official languages of this country is the time when Canadians learn alternative languages. Doesn't make any sense if Canadians go out and learn another language when they haven't fully learned either English or French. Many jobs in Canada only hire bilingual individuals and the workplace I work at is one of them. There were many qualified and even over-qualified people whose resumes were turned away because they lacked a language (in this case French). Children should master both languages for their own good. It should be a must. Canadians should know both languages. Not focus on some other foreign language that will probably have no effect on them.
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V7 ^- P+ E9 p- t; U5 U0 ~: Ip m from vancouver, Canada writes: I am amazed at the parochial comments from Ottawa. Mandarin is the most widely spoken language in the world. It is the language of the fastest growing segment of our society. It is the language of the largest, fast developing economy in the world. And the people want us to learn FRENCH!, a language disappearing from the face of the earth. And it is NOT the most difficult language to learn..Cantonese is!!
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- F) w' F; C! X9 z vGabriel Solomon from Xizhi, Taiwan writes: I'm learning Mandarin right now. It's much easier than English or French. One could easily learn to speak Mandarin studying half an hour each day. Learning to write it though, thats totally different, but still fun!
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4 C9 w* P* O& t/ S8 L# }bill wilson from Taipei, Taiwan writes: We used to live in Ontario. My children were enrolled in Fench Immersion when my wife and I decided to move to Taiwan for a year so that our kids could learn Chinese. We have now been here 2 1/2 years and the kids (now 11 and 13) speak amazing Chinese. With Asia's vitality and growth (not to mention population) to be soley focused on French as a second language is so 19th century. Congratulations to Edmonton.
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m mac from Peterborough, Canada writes: Both my children are fully bilingual.Mydaughter speaks five language and my son English and French.Both have said that French aside from visiting Quebec is of no use to them.As their french is Parisian they sometimes have some problems with Quebec french.The teaching of manderin is comendable and will better prepare kids for the future than the present system that pushes french only.It is a big world and we must adapt to the changes or suffer the consequences. 3 y2 F3 b7 a3 Y
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Patrick Chan from Vancouver, Australia writes: Why no one ever learns Portugeuse??? With Portugeuse, at least we can sing along to those delightful Bossa-Nova tunes... and, pick up Brasilian women when traveling to the land of the Girl from Ipanema. # {3 R, U- O! }5 F# S- P
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5 \' S9 M& c4 \- _0 xMichael Karlin from United Kingdom writes: #11, while learning French is certainly an asset, Canadians must prioritize labour market demands over some concept of history. Spanish, Mandarin, Hindi, Japanese, Arabic and French are all global languages as English and should be engaged depending on what your field requires. If you are working in a field where French is usually necessary, learn it. If not, learn another one. Finally, we should not discount learning a foreign language just for kicks or to expand our culture.
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5 [% R- T1 _ h2 V3 U gB C from China writes: I wish I had such language options when I was younger. However, that said, I don't believe that Mandarin is the 'magic' key to prosperity that many think it is. I've studied Mandarin for almost a year, and am currently going on my second year in China. English is the dominant language of foreign business in China, and will most likely remain so for the foreseeable future. Mandarin skills will make you different and more markatable (like any language) but think of it as support to one's major skill (technology, engineering, law).
; P7 T- F( h( b) l& H2 WPosted 21/05/06 at 5:44 AM EDT | Link to Comment / `, R; s6 ?5 s
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Dave T from midwest, Canada writes: Post #11. Your comment about children learning both languages as a must is nonsense. You obviously have not spent a lot of time with children who face immense barriers learning even one language. I have seen first hand what happens to children who are forced into French immersion based on some mindless yuppie parental ideal when the child has no aptitide for it. What you get is a huge mess because the parent has no insight into their own kid. And I am speaking as a grandparent here!!
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Dong Wen from Ottawa, Canada writes: My son was born in Canada and could not speak much of Mandarin, our family mother-tongue because he went to an English-only childcare. We placed him in a Mandarin-English before and after-school program in a public school when he started JK an SK two years ago. He is now fluent in Mandarin and loves writing in Chinese. The Saturday Chinese school could not have brought him to this level. Both English and French are important. But schools should be offering some third language program to allow kids born here to acquire a third language.
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1 l( C+ q- x( d7 a- K- iEsoterik . from Edmonton, Canada writes: Canada is a billingual state... everyone should learn English and French. We should, however, expand the choices of languages available. It's ridiculous that in some countries people speak 3 languages, whereas most of us can barely speak one well. Let's start up ambitious programmes to bring new foreign language graduates to come to Canada to teach Japanese, Mandarin, Russian, Hindi, Arabic, German, and Spanish. Not only does this make Canadians more worldly, but it would act as a catalyst for better business relations with the world. % O* c. J3 x" w S* {
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Stude Ham from Outremont, Canada writes: This Edmonton program may be doing a vast disservice not only to Canada, whose bilinguilaism is rooted in both French and English, but also to the Chinese people themselves, whose major language dialects include Cantonese and Mandarin. Why did the Edmonton board decide only on Mandarin and not also Cantonese? However, what I find most disturbing in the above comments are the traces of significant anti-French biases. There can be no justification for such biases and it is to be hoped that the Western education system will wake up and include French language training in all of its schools. , u+ T3 ~$ B. B w I
Posted 21/05/06 at 11:18 AM EDT | Link to Comment
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Karin Pasnak from North Vancouver, Canada writes: Never mind Mandarin, they don't even learn english properly. The kids leave Highschool and don't know how to spell in their own language.
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5 a" L9 n; J( E7 \4 U" pRobert Boyd from Windsor, Canada writes: #11 Patricia.It's not every Canadians dream to become a Federal Government drone or parasite.
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P Rioux from Ottawa, Canada writes: If Canada were ever to really become thoroughly bilingual it would have happened long ago. Post 11 ignores reality and insists on denying opportunity to those who are competent simply on linguistic grounds. Will such people stay in Canada or seek better lives eleswhere? That attitude will guarantee that Canadians become even more insecure and less well off in years ahead. + I( f5 e8 c' r8 Q
Posted 21/05/06 at 11:50 AM EDT | Link to Comment
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4 W) p/ w# a2 w, W STerry Erickson from New York, NY, United States writes: Our children began their academic life in the (outstanding) Edmonton Public School system in French immersion. The option of immersion in another language has always been one of the strengths of the system. When we moved to the US, our son came home from school with the comment that he only knew 2 languages. The school they attended required a 3rd language in the middle school and the ability to learn a 3rd language for our son and daughter was enhanced in no small measure by having had the immersion experience. In our experience, the process of learning another language is always a benefit and in the 21st century, with the ever expanding global economy, to have Canadian youth fluent in multiple languages can only enhance the economic growth of Canada. 3 z0 x. n9 Q8 z. S
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! J; p( W$ Z2 [' E- S: tgeorge carere from toronto ontario, Canada writes: the west is a pest -read them our constitution-let's not pit language groups against one another based on ignorance-are we not all bored by this in canada-we all know our rights as canadians-come to toronto and see one of canada's most successfull french language schools-the toronto french school-let's move on we have canadians dying in a foreign country ...gggcarere toronto 5 D# |: G9 U1 z5 `
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m7 A0 f3 l/ l# obse madcow from Toronto, Canada writes: i hated French when i was a student. it was difficult and not very fun. on top of that there didn`t seem to be much of a purpose to it. i thought i was no good at languages. however, for some unknown reason, i decided to try Mandarin when i got to university. it was so much easier than French. i loved it. and it has given me the confidence to go on and tackle other languages as well. perhaps one day i will study French again. i think i would no longer find it so difficult because i now know that i can succeed. let people study ANY language of their choice, rather than turning them off of the language learning process. once students have experienced success in learning a language, they might be more receptive to learning French. furthermore, it would allow them to understand how a knowlege of English grammar can be very useful. " {# U% `& C% q* Z6 z( b, J
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